Transcript: The Agenda's Week in Review | Oct 04, 2019

Steve stands in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a black suit, blue shirt, and spotted gray tie.

A wall screen behind him reads "The week in review."

Steve says THE AGENDA THIS WEEK
EXPLORED THE POLITICAL USE OF
DEFINING ISSUES SUCH AS
AFFORDABILITY AND THE MIDDLE
CLASS; AND EVALUATED HOW WELL
CANADA IS PROVIDING FOR ITS
VETERANS.
THE AGENDA'S WEEK IN REVIEW
BEGINS BY SITTING DOWN WITH
GREEN PARTY OF CANADA LEADER,
ELIZABETH MAY.

Music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

Nam sits in the studio with a guest. She's in her early forties, with shoulder length curly brown hair. She's wearing glasses and a gray blazer over a white shirt.

A caption on screen reads "Getting to know the Green Party. To the left... or to the right?"
Then, it changes to "Paying for promises."

Nam says YOUR PLATFORM HAS SOME
BIG PROMISES THAT ARE GOING TO
COST BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
HOW DO YOU PLAN TO PAY FOR ALL THAT?

Elizabeth is in her sixties, with chin-length wavy blond hair and side-swept bangs. She's wearing glasses, a blue blazer, a multi-coloured pin and a small pin with a maple leaf.

Elizabeth says WE'VE ALSO
IN THE PLATFORM FOUND BILLIONS
OF DOLLARS MORE THAN WE HAVE
NOW.

Nam says WHERE?

The caption changes to "Elizabeth May. Green Party of Canada. Green Party Candidate, Saanich-Gulf Islands."

Elizabeth says THESE ARE PLANKS THAT WE PUT
FORWARD TO THE PARLIAMENTARY
BUDGET OFFICE AND ASKED WHAT
WILL WE GET FROM THIS?
BY THE WAY WE HAD SOME STICKER
SHOCK WHEN WE SAW WHAT PBO
THOUGHT PHARMA CARE WOULD COST.
IT'S GOING TO LONG-TERM SAVE US
A LOT OF MONEY.
WE HAVE TO DO IT.
IT IS EXPENSIVE.
WE FOUND MONEY, FOR INSTANCE,
INCREASING TAXES ON LARGE
TRANSNATIONALS, BIG BUSINESS,
INCREASING THE TAX TO 21 percent
INSTEAD OF ITS CURRENT 15 percent.
WE'RE LOOKING AT TRANSACTION
TAX.
CANADA HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT
THIS FOR DECADES.
SOME PEOPLE THINK OF IT AS THE
TOBIN TAX.
BUT ON LARGE TRANSACTIONS OF
0.5 percent.
WE'RE LOOKING AT CLOSING THE
STOCK OPTION LOOPHOLE, THE
CAPITAL GAINS LOOPHOLE, AND
LOOPHOLES FOR THOSE WITH MORE
THAN 20 MILLION DOLLARS IN WEALTH.
WE'RE LOOKING AT TAXING THE
E-COMMERCE OUTFITS, THE NETFLIX
AND GOOGLES AND FACEBOOKS, THE
SMALL TAX ON SUGARY DRINKS TO
MAKE SURE CHILDREN'S HEALTH IS
IMPROVED.

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Elizabeth continues YOU ADD ALL THOSE UP, AND EVEN
WITH OUR SPENDING COMMITMENTS
FOR UNIVERSAL CHILD CARE, FOR
PHARMA CARE, FOR ABOLISHING
TUITION SO THAT KIDS CAN AFFORD
AN EDUCATION, YOU TAKE ALL THOSE
TOGETHER, AND UNLESS WE HAVE A
RECESSION OR SOME REASON TO
CHANGE OUR DIRECTION, WE'RE
BALANCING THE BUDGET IN FIVE
YEARS.
AND THAT'S ALL DEMONSTRABLE AND
ALL ONLINE.

The caption changes to "The Week in Review. @theagenda. Tvo.org."

Nam says YOU MENTIONED TAXES A
COUPLE OF TIMES.
I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT
WHENEVER PEOPLE HEAR TAXES, YOU
KNOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY...

Elizabeth says I LOVE PAYING TAXES.
AS A MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT, I NOW
PAY MORE IN TAXES THAN I USED TO
EARN WHEN I WAS IN THE
ENVIRONMENTAL MOVEMENT, AND IT'S
AN HONOUR AND A PRIVILEGE TO PAY
TAXES IN A CIVILIZED COUNTRY.

Nam says HOW DO YOU GET PEOPLE
ONSIDE WITH THAT.

The caption changes to "Elizabeth May, @ElizabethMay."

Elizabeth says I THINK THE MESSAGE HAS TO BE
THAT WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE
HERE.
YOUR GOVERNMENT IS, AT THE END
OF YOUR FINGERTIPS, DELIVERING
ON DEMOCRACY.
CITIZENS HAVE TO TAKE CONTROL.
AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN ALIENATED
FROM OUR GOVERNMENT... I THINK
IT'S REALLY BEEN THE NEO LIBERAL
MANTRA SINCE THE REAGAN-THATCHER
YEARS, WE HAVE LOST TRACK OF THE
IDEA, PARTICULARLY FOR SOMEONE A
LOT YOUNGER THAN ME, I'M 65 AND
I REMEMBER THE IDEA THAT OUR
GOVERNMENT WAS WORKING WITH US
AND FOR US.
WE'VE HAD A VERY LARGE
ALIENATION, AND DELIBERATELY
MANIPULATED BY THE RIGHT, LET'S
BE CLEAR, THE IDEA THAT BIG
GOVERNMENT IS BAD, THAT
DEREGULATION IS A GOOD THING TO
DO, THAT IT'S BETTER TO HAVE
TRADE LIBERALIZATION AND EXPORT
YOUR... AND PUT YOUR JOBS
OVERSEAS, SO OUTSOURCING.
THE IDEA THAT AN ECONOMY SHOULD
SERVE CITIZENS, THAT GOVERNMENT
SHOULD SERVE CITIZENS, SO THIS
IS ABOUT THE WELL-BEING OF ALL,
IS A DIFFERENT MESSAGE THAN THAT
FRAMING, INSTEAD OF TALKING
ABOUT US AS CITIZENS, FOR THE
LAST NUMBER OF DECADES, WE'VE
BEEN TALKED ABOUT AS CONSUMERS,
WHICH IS VERY TRANSACTIONAL, AND
AS TAXPAYERS, WHICH IS VERY
TRANSACTIONAL, AS OPPOSED TO
PEOPLE LIVING IN A CIVILIZED
SOCIETY AND THANK GOODNESS WE
HAVE OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.
I'M GLAD I DON'T HAVE TO BUILD
MY OWN SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF MY
APARTMENT BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY
PAY TAXES TO GET THAT STUFF DONE
FOR US.

The caption changes to "For more on this story visit: tvo.org/theagenda."

Elizabeth continues I THINK WE NEED TO SHIFT THE
DISCOURSE TO SAY, TO GET THROUGH
THE CLIMATE CRISIS, WE NEED A
FUNCTIONAL DEMOCRACY WHERE
CITIZENS ARE IN CHARGE AND WE
GET BIG OIL OUT OF THE
DECISION-MAKING AND THAT REALLY
IS LEADING TO A MORE ENGAGED
PARTICIPATORY DEMOCRACY.

Now music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

Different guests sit in the studio.
A caption on screen reads "Middle class blues. Anxieties."
Then, it changes to "Miles Corak. City University of New York."

Miles is in his mid-fifties, clean-shaven, with short, side-parted brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, blue shirt and patterned blue tie.

He says I THINK 50 PERCENT OF
CANADIANS, IF THEY LOST THEIR
JOB OR THEY HAD AN INCOME SHOCK
OF SOME KIND, COULDN'T KEEP
THEMSELVES ABOVE THE POVERTY
LINE FOR MORE THAN THREE MONTHS.
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH LIQUID
ASSETS TO DO THAT.
SO IT'S THAT SENSE OF INSECURITY
I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT IS REALLY
THE COMMONALITY AND ONE OF THE
UNDERLYING DRIVERS OF HOW WORK
IS CHANGING AND THE PROSPECTS
FOR THE NEXT GENERATION THAT I
THINK ARE REALLY DRIVING THIS
THING.

Steve says TRISH, GIVEN THESE
NUMBERS, WHAT DOES THIS SAY TO
YOU ABOUT THE NOTION OF HOW WELL
THE ECONOMY IS OR IS NOT WORKING
FOR MOST PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY?

The caption changes to "Trish Hennessy. Upstream Institute."

Trish is in her fifties, with long straight chestnut hair. She's wearing a white blazer.

She says I THINK A LOT OF THE RESEARCH
SHOWS THAT CANADA'S ECONOMY IS
BEING RESTRUCTURED.
THE LABOUR MARKET IS CHANGING.
VERY FEW PEOPLE CAN EXPECT A JOB
FOR LIFE ANYMORE, AND THAT WAS
PART OF THAT MIDDLE CLASS DEAL.
YOU COULD HAVE A JOB FOR LIFE.
COMPANY LOYALTY.
YOU COULD PLAN ON GETTING THAT
GOLD WATCH IN RETIREMENT AT THE
END OF YOUR LIFE SPAN.
WITHOUT THAT NOW, I MEAN, I DID
RESEARCH JUST A COUPLE YEARS AGO
WITH THE CANADIAN CENTRE FOR
POLICY ALTERNATIVES WHERE WE
ASKED PROFESSIONALS, ARE YOU IN
A PRECARIOUS JOB?
AND ALMOST A QUARTER OF THEM
SAID YEAH.
AND IT KEPT THEM UP AT NIGHT.

Now music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

Steve says THIS WOULD BE
UNIVERSITY PROFESSORS AND THAT
TYPE OF THING AS WELL.

Trish says EXACTLY.
EVERYONE WHO DID EVERYTHING
YOU'RE TOLD TO DO, GO GET AN
ADVANCED DEGREE, GO GET
SPECIALIZED CREDENTIALS, DO THE WORK.
AND THEY LOVE THE WORK BUT THEY
SHARE SOMETHING IN COMMON WITH
SHARING ECONOMY, GIG ECONOMY
WORKERS TOO.
THEY MAY NOT HAVE BENEFITS
COVERED.
THEY MIGHT NOT GET PAID IF
THEY'RE SICK.
AND SO THEY KEEP WORKING ANYWAY.
AND THESE ARE POLICY ISSUES THAT
I WOULD REALLY LIKE FOR US TO BE
TALKING ABOUT IN THE MIDDLE OF A
FEDERAL ELECTION BECAUSE THERE
ARE SOME PUBLIC SOLUTIONS, LIKE
PHARMACARE, DENTAL CARE, PUBLIC
PENSIONS THAT WE COULD BE
TALKING ABOUT.

Steve says SEAN, HALF THE
PEOPLE SURVEYED SAY THEY ARE
LIVING PAYCHEQUE TO PAYCHEQUE,
HOW WELL DOES THAT SAY TO YOU
HOW WELL THE ECONOMY IN THIS
COUNTRY IS WORKING?

The caption changes to "Sean Speer. University of Toronto. Munk School of Global Affairs and Public Policy."

Sean is in his late forties, clean-shaven, with short brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt and striped red tie.

He says WELL, IT'S CERTAINLY TRUE
THAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING SECULAR
TRENDS IN THE ECONOMY THAT ARE
PRODUCING SOME OF THE
BIFURCATION THAT TRISH AND MILES
ARE TALKING ABOUT.
THE POLITICAL CLASS IN THIS
CAMPAIGN IS USING AFFORDABILITY
AS SHORTHAND FOR THOSE SECULAR
TRENDS, STEVE, AND THE THEMES
I'M REFERRING TO IS FROM A GOOD
ECONOMY TO A SERVICE-BASED
ECONOMY OR KNOWLEDGE-BASED
ECONOMY OR WHAT SOME CALL AN
INTANGIBLES ECONOMY, AND THE
POLITICAL CLASS EITHER DOESN'T
WANT TO HAVE THAT KIND OF
SOPHISTICATED CONVERSATION OR
DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO RESPOND TO
THOSE TRENDS, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME
THOSE TRENDS ARE AT THE ROOT OF
SOME OF THE INSECURITIES THAT
MILES IS TALKING ABOUT AND IT
SEEMS TO ME IF I WAS WORKING ON
BEHALF OF ONE OF THE PARTIES IN
PREPARATION FOR TRANSITION, THE
TWO FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS THAT I
WOULD BE FOCUSED ON ARE, FIRST,
HOW DO WE CATALYZE ECONOMIC
OPPORTUNITY IN THE STRESSED
COMMUNITIES BECAUSE OF THE
INCREASING CONCENTRATION OF
ECONOMIC ACTIVITY IN OUR MAJOR
URBAN CENTRES, AND THEN THE
SECOND IS, WHAT CAN WE DO TO
CREATE WORK AND OPPORTUNITY FOR
PARTICULARLY MEN WITHOUT
POSTSECONDARY QUALIFICATIONS?
FOR MOST OF THIS CENTURY, STEVE,
THE NATURAL RESOURCE SECTOR IN
GENERAL AND THE OILSANDS IN
PARTICULAR HAVE HOOVERED UP A
LOT OF MALE WORKERS WITHOUT
POSTSECONDARY QUALIFICATIONS WHO
HAVE... WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED
SERIOUS LABOUR MARKET
DISLOCATION IN OTHER PARTS OF
THE WORLD, BUT WE'VE BEEN
PROTECTED BY AND LARGE BECAUSE
OF THE ROLE OF THE NATURAL
RESOURCE ECONOMY, SO MUCH SO,
FOR INSTANCE, THAT IN THE
PROVINCE OF ALBERTA, THE INCOME
GAP BETWEEN THOSE WITH
POSTSECONDARY QUALIFICATIONS AND
THOSE WITHOUT ACTUALLY CONVERGED
FOR MOST OF THIS CENTURY, UNLIKE
ELSEWHERE IN THE COUNTRY WHERE
THE MARKET IS INCREASINGLY
SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF ITS
LUNGS FOR EDUCATED WORKERS, FOR
CREDENTIALS.

The caption changes to "Sean Speer, @Sean_Speer."
Then, it changes again to "For more on this story visit: tvo.org/theagenda."

Sean continues SO THAT'S A LONG WAY OF SAYING
THAT I DO THINK THAT THE SECULAR
TRENDS THAT ARE PUTTING PEOPLE
WITH CERTAIN APTITUDES OR SKILLS
OR CREDENTIALS INCREASINGLY AT
RISK IS SOMETHING THAT WE WON'T
GET IN THIS CAMPAIGN BUT REALLY
STRIKES ME AS THE MOST IMPORTANT
POLITICAL ECONOMY QUESTION
FACING OUR SOCIETY.

Now music plays as an animated slate reads "The week in review."

Nam sits with several guests.
A caption on screen reads "Taking care of veterans. An eye on the past."

Nam says WHAT ROLE DO YOU THINK
THE GENERAL PUBLIC PLAYS RIGHT
NOW WHEN WE TALK ABOUT VETERANS,
ESPECIALLY DURING AN ELECTION?
ROSEMARY?

The caption changes to "Rosemary Park. Servicewomen's Salute Canada."

Rosemary is in her late fifties, with wavy brown hair and bangs. She's wearing glasses, a beige blazer over a black blouse, and a brown stone necklace.

She says ONE OF THE... I BELIEVE THE
EXTERNAL ADVOCACY GROUPS THAT
ARE ADVISING OR WORKING WITH
VETERANS AFFAIRS SO, FOR
EXAMPLE, THE NATIONAL
ASSOCIATION OF FEDERAL RETIREES
HAVE PUT THE ISSUES FOR
VETERANS, INCLUDING RCMP, HIGHER
ON THEIR LIST, SO THAT
STRATEGICALLY, WHAT WE'RE SEEING
IS THAT IN THIS LARGER GENERAL
COMMUNITY, WE HAVE VOICES THAT
ARE SPEAKING FOR VETERANS, NOT
NEEDING THEN INDIVIDUAL VETERANS
TO HAVE TO BE IN FRONT OF THE
CAMERA.
SO THAT TYPE OF ADVOCACY THAT
OUR GUESTS ARE ALL HERE TO DO IS
THAT MIDDLE SPACE BETWEEN THE
GENERAL PUBLIC, WHICH I WOULD
VENTURE TO SAY... I HAVEN'T DONE
THE POLLING... THIS IS NOT HIGH
ON THEIR... NOT HIGH ON THEIR
LIST.

The caption changes to "Looking ahead."
Then, it changes again to "The Week in Review. @theagenda. Tvo.org."

Nam says TOM, I'D LOVE TO HEAR
WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT.

The caption changes to "Tom Irvine. Royal Canadian Legion."

Tom is in his sixties, clean-shaven, with short brown hair. He's wearing glasses and a black polo shirt with an armed forces emblem on the chest.

He says I AGREE.
IT'S NOT HIGH ON THE PUBLIC'S
LIST OF PRIORITIES, BUT ALSO,
YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO,
THE MILITARY WOULDN'T EVEN WEAR
THE UNIFORM IN PUBLIC, OR ONCE
THEY LEFT THE BASES, THEY WERE
TOLD, WEAR CIVILIAN CLOTHES.
THE ATTITUDE HAS CHANGED SINCE
BOSNIA AND AFGHANISTAN, AND I
AGREE THAT THE ONLY TIME THAT
THE CANADIAN PUBLIC REALLY JUMPS
ON BOARD WITH THE VETERANS IS IF
WE'RE IN SOME KIND OF ACTION,
LIKE BOSNIA OR AFGHANISTAN, BUT
ONCE THEY COME HOME, IT KIND OF
WANES OFF A LITTLE BIT.
AND DURING AN ELECTION TIME,
THERE'S NOT VERY MANY ISSUES.
AND I DON'T SEE THE ISSUES
COMING UP THIS YEAR.
I KNOW THAT THE NDP... WELL, ALL
THREE PARTIES HAVE JUST STARTED
COMING UP WITH THEIR PROGRAMS.
BUT I DON'T FEEL THAT THE
CANADIAN PUBLIC IS TOTALLY ON
BOARD WITH IT.
IT'S JUST ANOTHER SUBJECT, LIKE
SENIORS OR SOMETHING ELSE.
LIKE I SAID, THEY JUST PAY
ATTENTION MORE DURING WHEN WE'RE
ACTUALLY IN ACTION OR IN THE
FIELD.

A map of Quebec appears briefly, highlighting the location of Montreal.

Nam says THAT HAS TO HURT ON A
PERSONAL LEVEL; NO?

The caption changes to "For more on this story visit: tvo.org/theagenda."

Tom says IT DOES.
VERY MUCH SO.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT DIFFERENT
OPERATIONS THAT CANADIAN FORCES
HAVE BEEN OVER THE YEARS,
SOMETIMES THEY GET BIG
HOMECOMINGS AND THE GUYS FROM
BOSNIA ARE FORGOTTEN ABOUT, YOU
KNOW, DEPENDING UPON WHICH
THEATRE YOU'RE IN WILL DEPEND ON
THEIR HOMECOMING, AND THAT'S
WRONG.
WHEN I CAME BACK FROM THE MIDDLE
EAST IN THE '70s AS A PEACE
KEEPER, I GOT A MEDICAL, GOT OUT
THE DOOR, AND "HAVE A NICE DAY."
WHEREAS SOME REGIMENTS COMING
BACK FROM ACTION OR WHATEVER,
THEY GET A HOMECOMING PARADE.
WE'RE ALL THE SAME THING, WE'RE
ALL DOING THE SAME ACTIONS.
SOME ARE A LITTLE MORE DANGEROUS
THAN OTHERS, BUT A VETERAN IS A
VETERAN.

The clips end and Steve stands in the studio alone.

He says THAT'S JUST SOME OF
WHAT WE COVERED THIS WEEK ON
THE AGENDA.
FOR MORE, INCLUDING THE FULL
CONVERSATIONS, YOU CAN VISIT OUR
WEBSITE tvo.org, OUR YouTube
CHANNEL AT youtube.com/theagenda
OR OUR TWITTER FEED, THAT'S
twitter.com/TheAgenda.

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